Talk:Konumohe (Pūranga)

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Looks as if I should expand it to match the element pages that had more recent attention.

Why would anyone want to delete the page for such a basic item of modern living?

Robin Patterson 01:20, 21 Whiringa-ā-rangi 2006 (UTC)

There's a pretty good reason: errors in language.
Don't you get it? Māori is not a language you know how to speak. If you really want to make any positive impact with your edits, you need to take a break to learn Māori. Perhaps you should take classes or find some other track of more intensive study than you are currently pursuing.
The opinion among native speakers and fluent users here seems to be unanimous, based on e-mails and private chats. You would help us more by leaving than you do by staying. We are made to clean up after you constantly. We do not need your help, and we no longer want it. You won't ever be banned because you are a sysop and you're not enough of an annoyance for any of us to take it to the Wikimedia Foundation board, but that is because we are hoping that eventually you will get bored and leave us alone.
Larger Wikipedias may have extensive resources to deal with the edits of novices at their language. If someone posts a page in nearly-incomprehensible English at en.wp, it will probably be fixed soon. But here, our resources are much less, and they are stretched much thinner.
Now, I know I may be seen by you as an outsider on this Wikipedia, and I may not make a lot of signed-in contributions. But I think I speak for everyone here. They are just too polite to confront you. But I am sure the Māori community at large agrees with me because I have discussed this extensively with the rest of them. Ask them if you wish. --Node ue 05:51, 21 Whiringa-ā-rangi 2006 (UTC)
The reason for deletion is plainly spelt out. What gives an English speaker the right (or the desire) to mangle our language and leave the mess for others to clean up? Your 19th century attitude to our language is revealed in your posts on Talk:Niu Tireni. Its not for you either, to interpret stats about the percentage of Māori who speak English as if that justified your activities. As node says, you just don't get it. Kahuroa 07:36, 21 Whiringa-ā-rangi 2006 (UTC)
Ps Node - don't think of yourself as an outsider - the comments you made a year or two ago are greatly appreciated by Māori speakers because you stuck up for the language and said a lot of true things, even tho Robin was very dismissive of them. You were speaking for Māori and if you had been heeded then this site would be a lot better for it today. Kahuroa 07:43, 21 Whiringa-ā-rangi 2006 (UTC)

I am a native speaker of te Reo. My assesment of Robin Pattersons level of the language is that is NON EXISTANT. I cannot understand anything he writes, and it looks very like he cannot understand anything much written in the language. He is a nuisance in my book. Why should the site be dumbed down so that absolute beginners like him are able to use it to create worthless stubs? WHy doesnt he go and dump his rubbish on the Latin Wikipedia - he claims to be Level 2 at latin. Maybe they dont want his stubs either. Kahuroa does beautiful work, and he just works away quietly fixing th emess without making a fuss about it. Maybe that is his fault - he is covering up Robins messes. Go away Robin - find another site to mess with for what ever reason you feel the urge to do this stuff. Matapihi 22:56, 22 Whiringa-ā-rangi 2006 (UTC)

I think Matapihi is exactly right regarding Robin's proficiency at Māori. I found this interesting admission here from the man himself: "over 40 articles written by someone who barely understands any of the language! Robin Patterson 03:16, 18 May 2004 (UTC)" - I quote this from en:User talk:Lisiate. It is a great pity that he went on to write another 300 or 400 so-called articles after that! Kahuroa 00:03, 25 Whiringa-ā-rangi 2006 (UTC)