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Ko tēnei whārangi tō tātou puna wai, tō mātou wharekai rānei, hei wāhi whakawhitiwhiti kōrero i ngā reo e rua mō ngā āhuatanga katoa o tēnei o ō tātou Wikipedia. Ki te hiahia whakaputa whakaaro koe, tēnā, waiho mai ō whakaaro, ō pātai rānei kei raro iho nei, kia mōhio ai mātou kua tae mai koe kia kite i a mātou! Pūranga: 2004200520062007-20092010-201320142015201620172018201920202021


New name for Māori Wikipedia[edit source]

In Māori, the letter D doesn't exist. The Hawaiian Wikipedia is Wikipikia and the Tahitian one is Vitipitia. So I think we should make the Māori one Wikipītia. Could someone fix the logo (maybe an admin like @Gadfium)? Thanks. 101.190.65.131

I think that's above my pay grade. If we had an active community, we could discuss it with a procedure similar to the English Wikipedia's RFC (request for comment) and take a recommendation to the WikiMedia Foundation based on the results. Anyone is most welcome to discuss a change of logo/name here; perhaps the discussion will draw interest from Māori-speaking Wikipedians.-gadfium (talk) 01:31, 6 Noema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested this because again, the letter D doesn't exist in Māori. The Tahitian Wikipedia is Vitipetia because there is no D, K, or W in Tahitian and the Hawaiian one is Wikipikia because there is no D or T in Hawaiian. The Welsh one is Wicipedia, the Irish one is Vicipéid, the Scots Gaelic one is Uicipéid, the Nauruan one is Wikipediya, the Norfuk/Pitkern one is Wikapiidiya, the Catalan one is Viquipédia, the French, Portuguese, Balinese and Tetun ones is Wikipédia, the Scots one is Wikipaedia, the Navajo one is Wikibíídiya, the Cebuano one is Wikipedya, the Nāhutal one is Huiquipedia and so on. I think we should consider making the Māori one Wikipītia, considering Māori almost always adopts exonymns due to its grammar and spelling rule (i.e the Māori alphabet is A, Ā, E, Ē, H, I, Ī, K, M, N, Ng, O, Ō, P, R, T, U, Ū, W, Wh and there has to be a vowel after every consonant, therefore no Māori word ends in a consonant). Thanks. 101.190.65.131 21:27, 6 Noema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking that to change the name required more than changing the logo, e.g. the Wikipedia namespace would need to change name, but looking at the Hawaiian and Tahitian Wikipedias I see they have not changed this. I think the procedure to change the logo is to file a request at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/. Please do not do this yourself. We would need a consensus on this Wikipedia, and given the lack of contributors I'm not sure how we could establish one.-gadfium (talk) 01:42, 7 Noema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The procedure to change it is m:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes#Changing_a_wiki's_logo. The current logo is at commons:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-mi.svg. If you have the skill, I suggest you take this and modify it to say "Wikipītia", then upload it to commons under a new name (don't overwrite the existing one, that won't work and will confuse the process).-gadfium (talk) 02:13, 7 Noema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. 2001:8003:3670:D800:6991:6F6B:F884:1AFA 20:37, 18 Noema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vote: Rename Māori Wikipedia to Wikipītia[edit source]

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The request for comment or vote has run for a full month, and no additional comment has been posted for over two weeks.

Two people (including the proposer) supported the proposal as written, and a third supported in principal but did not support a specific name. One other person initially supported and then withdrew their support on seeing opposing arguments. Two people opposed the proposal, because they did not believe or were not convinced the proposed name was the most appropriate. Everyone who commented about the proposal agreed a name change was a good idea, but but the names supported included "Wikipītia" (as proposed), Wikipitia (without a macron), "Wikipīria", or a new Māori term perhaps based around "mātāpunenga" rather than a translation.

To move forward, a conversation about the most appropriate name should be started separately, with expert input sought, as User:Nurg suggested. I emailed the Māori Language Commission for an opinion before Christmas but they have not responded. I am not in a position to look further for expert opinion and I'm not sure who else is in such a position.gadfium (talk) 02:37, 18 Hānuere 2022 (UTC)[reply]


(Conversation started a while ago, see above)

In Māori, the letter D does not exists and the sound EE is created by the letter Ī. The Hawaiian and Tahitian Wikipedias are Wikipikia and Vitipetia respectively to fit their language needs (Māori, Hawaiian and Tahitian are all Polynesian languages). I propose a vote here on the proposed new name. If the majority of contributors agree, could someone change the logo? I encourage all Māori Wikipedians to vote on this proposal, as consensus is required. Thanks! Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 04:25, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support[edit source]

  • Support Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 04:25, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I checked out the Maori Wikipedia just the other day and wondered why 'Wikipedia' wasn't transliterated. If other language wikis translate the name of 'Wikipedia' than mi-wiki should too. Nixinova (talk) from enwiki 21:47, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I note I am not a fluent te reo speaker, but having reviewed the discussion above it seems sensible to make this change (and certainly better than sticking with the status quo, which is not appropriate given there is no 'D' in the Māori language). Ngā mihi, Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:10, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC) Withdrawing vote for the moment as there is dispute over correct transliteration and it appears more discussion may be needed. Chocmilk03 (talk) 18:38, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Either should will be used. Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 02:34, 20 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle - tautoko moving this to a more suitable name, but will defer judgement on what that name is (particularly whether or not the third i/ī has a macron or not) to more fluent speakers. Turnagra (talk) 19:05, 24 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Against[edit source]

  • Whakahē / Oppose. As I have outlined below I believe that the best orthography for the transliteration of Wikipedia into te reo Māori is Wikipitia, without a macron on the third i, and so cannot support the current proposal. Paora (talk) 08:49, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Either one should be used. Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 02:32, 20 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, pending further info. I would support changing to a Māori name, but I don't see enough info here as to why it should be Wikipītia.
  1. The modern tendency in creating new Māori terms is to use original components rather than transliterations, so the name could perhaps be based around mātāpunenga instead.
  2. If using a transliteration, why Wikipītia rather than Wikipīria? The English 'd' is just as often transliterated to the Māori 'r' (which is not the same as the English 'r') as it is to 't', e.g. Rāwiri for David. However, maybe 't' would be more appropriate – I just pose the question, as I am not sure.
  3. The original proposal of Wikipītia has now become "either Wikipītia or Wikipitia". It should be one or the other.
  4. An indication of the proposer's (Uluṟu Minecrafter) competence in Māori would be useful. The fact they are now globally blocked (as is their 'mate' and alleged puppetmaster Special:Contributions/Te Reo Ahitereiria) does not inspire confidence.
I think this proposal should fail. If anyone wants to proceed with a name change, I suggest starting with a discussion about process, e.g. how would we seek expert input. The huge issue for this WP is not the name, but the current shortage (or is it a complete lack) of competent editors. Nurg (talk) 00:52, 1 Hānuere 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral[edit source]

Discussion[edit source]

Transliteration: either Wikipītia or Wikipitia will be used (hopefully this solves the dispute) @Paora @Chocmilk03. Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk)

I have mentioned this proposal on two pages of the English Wikipedia in the hopes of getting more feedback: en:Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#Discussion on renaming the Māori Wikipedia and en:Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Discussion on renaming the Māori Wikipedia. I have also posted at m:Wikimedia Forum#Discussion on renaming the Māori Wikipedia. If there are other places I should notify, please let me know or make the posts yourself.-gadfium (talk) 17:58, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to to throe my weight behind the consensus of fluent te reo speakers who express an opinion on this. Without fluent speakers contributing (to this issue and the wiki) the whole thing is moot. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:43, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given that many people in Australia and New Zealand will be on holiday over the next few weeks, I suggest we let this run for a full month before evaluating a consensus. My plan is to not vote myself and be the closer, but if anyone would prefer I can ask at meta for an uninvolved person to close.-gadfium (talk) 22:18, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support the concept, not totally convinced about the proposed name. I'm not convinced that the macron is required; to my ear the length of all the vowels in Wikipedia is the same, so I would suggest Wikipitia rather than Wikipītia. I note that ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi also uses macrons to denote vowel length, and that Hawaiian Wikipedia, i.e. Wikipikia, does not include a macron in its name. Paora (talk) 23:00, 18 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paora The macron is necessary otherwise the word sounds different. Macrons are very important in Māori, as the indicate a long vowel (i.e ā, ē, ī, ō, ū). So, with that being said, "Wikipītia" sounds like "wikipeetia" ("ī" sounds like "ea" in "spear" or a bit like "ee" in "sheep"), but "Wikipitia" sounds like "wikipitia" ("i" sounds "i" in words like "fish" and "six", when said with an Australian accent as New Zealanders pronounce those words "f/sh" and "s/x" respectively). I hope this helps. Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 01:51, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. I am fully conversant with both te reo pronunciation and orthography, and understand the difference between i and ī. The sound of the aforementioned vowels is the same; the difference comes in the length of that sound. As I said previously, my hearing of the e in Wikipedia is that it is a short te reo i not a long te reo ī. I see nothing in your explanation above to persuade me otherwise. Therefore, when transliterating Wikipedia into te reo Māori, I continue to contend that the best kupu is Wikipitia and not Wikipītia, and would support the former. Consequently I cannot support the current proposal and will vote accordingly. Paora (talk) 08:47, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I see what your saying and that makes sense. Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 00:17, 20 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion at all on this subject, but I think it's worth pointing out that the proposer is a blatant sockpuppet of Te Reo Ahitereiria. Graham87 (talk) 00:47, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a lie. I started contributing here when a mate of mine told me about how he made most Australia articles here, so I decided to join the wiki and plain to edit more often. I know who Te Reo Ahitereiria is (he is the one who told me about the wiki). Plus you don't edit here! You're an admin on the English Wikipedia, so you can't block people here. Thanks. Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 00:17, 20 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Month and day names[edit source]

Also, why are the dates here shown as English adaptations/bastardisations (e.g December is shown as Tīhema). There is a Māori calendar with day and month names that are not like this (e.g Sunday = Rātapu ≠ Hāne). Could someone fix this on [1]? Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 01:51, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Uluṟu Minecrafter: I have made this a new section because it's not connected to the name of the Māori Wikipedia.
It's my understanding that Hakihea is a lunar month and is not quite identical to December.[2] Today is 19 Tīhema, but I think it is not necessarily 19 Hakihea, and I don't think we are ready to start using completely different month boundaries even if the Wikimedia software supports that. My understanding may be out of date. The date/timestamps don't show a day of the week for me; perhaps we have different preferences set or are using different skins. I have no objection to changing to the Māori rather than transliterated names of the days.-gadfium (talk) 02:31, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thanks. Maybe you have English enabled as your display language (see if the sidebar on the left shows in Māori or English). Uluṟu Minecrafter (talk) 06:30, 19 Tīhema 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Loves Folklore is back![edit source]

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Call for Feedback about the Board of Trustees elections is now open[edit source]

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Additional question to the Call for Feedback about the Board of Trustees elections[edit source]

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